While every effort is made to include accurate and correct images, descriptions and pricing for all . AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. This small pressure helps un-seat the spent case from the chamber. string(0) "" Took some technique modification to keep from doubling the light-sh trigger while shooting from the bench for me. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=130663" Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. string(3) "raw" Has anyone got experiences or advice, +/- they'd share? string(19) "2022-08-03 16:29:50" ["pinged"]=> string(6) "closed" ["comment_count"]=> The firearm's numerous. Despite how light it is, I found it to be smooth shooting and easy to control for a 7.62x51mm NATO. ["pinged"]=> Im giving the Rogue a spin for the field gun slot. I grabbed one as well but haven't shot it yet. ["menu_order"]=> Got the rogue, can't wait to get rid of it. There is a reason POF-USA recommends using specific magazines. The Rogues Key-Lock bolt carrier group differs from most BCGs in that it has a roller cam pin that reduces friction and stress on the part and a dovetailed gas key. ["post_modified"]=> string(11) "Phoenix 9MM" I have an EA LUX .308 can in jail that I am thinking will go on the Rogue to yield a good lightweight large frame for anticipated low-volume/rate use cases. string(19) "2022-01-03 12:40:34" string(19) "2022-01-03 20:40:34" This single-stage, non-adjustable,drop-in triggerboasts a solid 4.5-pound pull weight and is pre-assembled in Hardcoat Anodized aluminum housing (complete with rubber urethane feet) for immediate competition, hunting, and tactical applications right out of the box. POF P-308 14'5" barrel. The carbine weighs just 5.9 pounds, while the pistol weighs a mere 5.7 pounds. int(0) ["post_date_gmt"]=> *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. And, that's not ALL, Monty. 4.6K views 2 years ago This is short video going over my results at 100 yards for the POF Revolution accuracy test with various factory loads including Federal Premium 175gr Sierra Match King,. Big thumbs up. This prevents carrier tilt and premature wear of the buffer tube. | string(0) "" string(0) "" int(0) ["filter"]=> int(0) Handling POF-USA's Revolution gives you the answer. The sig may be a pig in lipstick as well given the specs but, reviews are solid. I originally was looking in to a revolution di, then I saw the rogue and thought that it fit the bill for what I am looking for at a better price point even if I had to upgrade the gas system. Having shot comparable systems, there are very few reasons I can see anyone choosing 308 over 6.5 Grendel. string(0) "" Threaded into the rear of the lower receiver is an aluminum anti-tilt receiver extension. ARMSCORs RIA 5.0 ST semi-automatic 9 mm Luger pistol represents the companys first handgun to be designed and manufactured here in the United States. However, POF in classes seem to be the first high end AR to choke. POF-USA includes their patented roller cam pin to reduce friction. Complete modularity achieved by the Renegade Rail System. string(9) "rogue-sbr" ["guid"]=> While these intermediate cartridges are good, they are simply out-muscled by full-power rifle cartridges like the .308 Win, 6.5mm Creedmoor and 6mm Creedmoor. So the consensus is that this thing should be great with 168 and 175 SMKs? The pros and cons. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. string(6) "closed" It doesnt seem to make much sense, as AR-15s are too small to be chambered in .308 Win. You get a number of improvements with the Revolution and quality control seems to be far better. . ["post_author"]=> I don't know the weight but its fun to shoot. You must log in or register to reply here. ["post_type"]=> string(13) "Tombstone 9MM" At the range, the Rogue proved itself to be 100 percent reliable, exhibiting zero malfunctions of any type through approximately 250 rounds. ["ID"]=> ["pinged"]=> I am not an operator nor am I very smart. This free upgrade will be installed in all Rogue models, including the 12.5" barrel pistol and 16.5" barrel carbine. I had a ton of photos from that event. ["post_status"]=> ["ID"]=> It is amazing what they are doing, and the prices they are doing it at. I've got to admit the Revolution/Rogue has me interested again. int(122231) ["to_ping"]=> Whether you are a soldier, federal agent, police officer, contractor, or an American civilian, POF USA guarantees relentless reliability for all of their POF rifles. I was at my favorite LGS and he had the Rogue Rifle and I got it. I would sit back and wait to see how it holds up.alot of testing has taken place for military application and there must be some good reasons it was decided to use a beefier frame for bigger bullets and more powder.. Gear & Gadgets on the Texas Fishing and Outdoors Show, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. ["post_mime_type"]=> string(0) "" Nosler ballistic tips. Internally, the Rogue uses the same Key-Lock bolt carrier group (BCG) as does the Revolution DI, with its nitrided carrier, chrome-plated firing pin, and nickel-plated bolt head and extractor. } From their website - Complete modularity achieved by the Renegade Forend. string(9) "Rogue SBR" If you DO absolutely need a large frame 308 I would go with an Aero M5 build (and anticipate some hiccups) or an ADM. Having several Aero builds, Colt, Geissele, and ADM I can honestly state that the ADM is worth every penny especially on non-uniform large frame AR10 systems. The rifle is eminently fun to shoot and I chewed through 20-round magazines without issue. ["post_type"]=> This design helps reduce carrier tilt. ["post_content"]=> phoenix-9mmobject(WP_Post)#11362 (24) { Email us at FirearmsNews@Outdoorsg.com. Aero Precision M5E1 AR-10 Complete Rifle. string(4) "3120" I agree that it's not a cheap gun, but I would buy it again in a second. Anybody have experience with the POF Rogue? TIA! string(19) "2022-05-09 16:12:05" ["post_author"]=> ["post_parent"]=> string(19) "2021-01-04 08:42:44" Use the weight savings as an opportunity to add one. string(0) "" string(13) "Wonder Pistol" It now groups 1.5-3" with 147gr crap and 3/4" with factory FGGM 168's. . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc. Sign up for our newsletter and receive exciting updates like new firearms being released! At 280 yards and beyond, I only used the Black Hills 178-grain ELD-X load. He much preferred the more powerful and more common .308 Win. Consider the source of the complaint. Win a FREE Membership! Looking to get an ar in 308, and I have been look really hard at the Pod rogue and the sig 716i tread. Would love some opinions from people who have owned or used either of these rifle, or companies. However, POF-USA does offer their Dictator adjustable gas block as an option on the Rogue. All Rights Reserved. It's lighter than my 14.5" 5.56 AR. I think they are absolute genius. string(1) "0" string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=129246" string(6) "closed" string(19) "2022-12-28 14:28:24" The Federal load exhibited a noticeable 4+1 grouping where it plunked four shots into an inch or less and then tossed one markedly opening the group. I got a chance to shoot it a few weeks ago and it is super nice. ["comment_status"]=> While this adds a few ounces, I selected it as an option for testing. ["post_modified_gmt"]=> string(8) "Prescott" int(0) Only approx 500 rounds through it. Is the Rogue perfect? Just saw this. (collapsed); 15.5 in. It may not display this or other websites correctly. POF-USA is proud to announce the Rogue, an ultra-light carbine weighing in at under 6 pounds. According to a recent Federal Emergency Management Agency report, fewer people are "prepping" today compared to previous years. ["comment_status"]=> Here Are 5 Reasons To Consider One! string(13) "p415-edge-sbr" Thanks for the info! ["post_excerpt"]=> Most hunters and many shooters want a smaller and lighter option. (tested) Stock: MFT, adjustable Grip: MFT Length of Pull: 11.5 in. ["post_type"]=> ["post_parent"]=> Ordered a POF Rogue pistol in March, got it in August - took it to AR15 Barrels to install the dictator adjustable gas block, he also removed picatinny off the top, bottom front and cut the hand guard flush. I just got a 16.5" Rogue and here's how it's set up now: Scepticism is an exercise, not a life; it is a discipline fit to purify the mind of prejudice and render it all the more apt, when the time comes, to believe and to act wisely. string(7) "publish" I have seen the bad reviews and that is honestly the biggest reason to consider the sig. #10. With Aero you get great quality receivers and can go with a high quality trigger and adjustable gas from the start. ["post_status"]=> By switching from machined billet receivers to 7075 aluminum forgings, a different barrel and eliminating some premium features POF-USA was able to reduce the $2,699 base price of the Revolution to just $1,899 for the Rogue. The muzzle brake helps reduce the recoil but the single baffle design is not as effective as the much longer multi-baffle design on the Revolution. string(7) "publish" Patrick Sweeney gives some history on this interesting pistol. Just extremely skeptical on not a bad weight - Mine with Sig Tango 6 3-18 comes in at 14lb 2 oz before hanging another 2lbs of SRT Shadow XL on the end.. for comparison, my lightweight 308, POF revolution with the same optic, knocks almost 3lbs off Very nice. If you have any thoughts or comments on this article, wed love to hear them. I have had my POF Rogue for a couple months now and I was SUPER hesitant buy it after seeing reviews about feeding issues. string(19) "2023-01-09 16:27:30" I will need to figure out the gas system once I have the can. new. You have to send in the upper so they can verify that it needs replacing, then because it is "so complicated" only they can replace it for you. FG42: The Awesome 7.92X57MM Fallschirmjger Machine Rifle (2nd Edition). Search. This is not the case with the Revolution. So, the brake can be easily replaced if you so desire. ["ping_status"]=> It's better now. string(19) "2022-08-03 09:29:50" Location of This Business. ["post_status"]=> "OD green has been a long-requested . How was the recoil? The Rogues weight loss relative to the Revolution DIs 6-lb., 13-oz., heft was accomplished primarily through three ways: by thinning out the upper and lower receivers in non-critical areas, by using a slimmer contour of barrel and by including a shorter, 11.5"-long Renegade handguard. I guess that's another downside I noticed, there wasn't room in the trigger area to install a LaRue MBT two stage which I like. The POF-USA Technical Support page has all the info you need to keep your rifle in proper working condition. string(0) "" string(19) "2022-12-28 22:30:32" string(19) "2022-12-28 22:24:32" 7.62x51mm nato semi auto 20 rounds 16.5 barrel. int(0) Do you have any other suggestions for for a rifle? Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. These have the fluted chambers, right? Due to its very light weight the Rogue is very quick handling. I dont know why. ["post_author"]=> The most accurate load was Federals 185-grain Juggernaut which consistently put three out of five rounds into one inch and averaged two inches at 2,436 fps. string(15) "Phoenix 9MM SBR" Lauren Witt, Interdependence Public Relations, David M. Fortier, James Tarr and Michelle Hamilton. string(19) "2022-05-09 08:31:51" } string(19) "2022-07-27 14:47:10" The carbine ships with one 20-round Magpul magazine, and no sighting options are included with the gun. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=129368" string(0) "" B&T USA 16-inch SPC9 Carbine: New for 2022. ["post_status"]=> ["post_author"]=> string(4) "3120" string(0) "" Well I talked my self out of the Revolution and am going to get the Rogue instead, $1700 vrs $2450. Very light recoil, and so far, flawless function. I have now put plenty of rounds through the Rogue with ZERO issues. string(1) "0" ["post_parent"]=> Four five-shot groups were fired from a rest at 100 yards with velocity readings recorded with a LabRadar Doppler chronograph. Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways. Took some technique modification to keep from doubling the light-sh trigger while shooting from the bench for me. string(0) "" Aero M5E1. string(6) "closed" What are your thoughts on the revolution compared to the i have a rogue pistol shoots great, 700 plus rounds, mostly suppressed, no issues. There are multiple sling mounting points, including a QD mount at the rear of the receiver. POF always understates the actual weight. int(0) string(0) "" Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. ["post_content"]=> patriot ordnance factory (pof) tombstone 9mm. POF-USA Revolution Accuracy Bigshooterist 81K subscribers Join Subscribe 627 Save 19K views 5 years ago Join the Official Bigshooterist Patreon Family: https://www.patreon.com/Bigshooterist. string(3) "raw" string(19) "2023-01-02 05:00:02" I had one of the first ones, I put a dictator on it before I even shot it - the only problem I had is with DAG ammo. Better still, their new Rogue is less expensive too! POF touts its Modular Railed Receiver (M.R.R) as crucial for accuracy. I'm having second thoughts, I think I'd either step up to the revolution, but then what I've read about SA's saint victor, it appears to be a tad more accurate, for 1/2 the price My original plan was to have a lightweight semiauto hunting rifle. Cartridges like the .224 Valkyrie, 6mm ARC, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.8x43mm Rem SPC, 300 AAC Blackout and 350 Legend add more punch to the AR-15. I'm sure there are some on the Rogue. ["post_date"]=> If you are a fan of this cartridge though, you may want to consider POFs Rogue. tombstone-9mmobject(WP_Post)#7938 (24) { ["post_modified"]=> string(0) "" string(0) "" Its very cool. And to the companys credit, each new revision of the Revolution has both weighed and cost substantially less than its forebear, while retaining most of the innovations that separate POFs products from run-of-the-mill AR-pattern rifles. string(19) "2022-12-28 13:47:22" Ruger likes to simplify things, and one thing the POF could have done with was being simplified. I have a couple of POF's, including the Revolution carbine, and they've been excellent. string(19) "2022-12-28 21:47:22" string(19) "2022-12-28 22:34:32" I'm not sure if they sell it individually. These ranged in weight from 120 to 185 grains and would show what the Rogue is capable of. string(6) "closed" POF is top notch and the managed to cram a 308 in an AR15 platform. Subscriber Services. It's lighter than my 14.5" 5.56 AR. David Fortier gets a look at Roundtable with Nathan Robinson. I dont want to troubleshoot something I just spent $1500 buying. Been shooting flawlessly. A better brake helps the shoot ability. Now, POF-USA is back and they have reduced the weight to an ultralight 5.9 pounds with their new .308 Win Rogue. My brother has a couple Sig and Springfield rifles and I would choose an Aero build over them without question. A patented three-inch long barrel nut serves to not only lock the barrel in place, but it also acts as a heat sink. string(0) "" As to be expected the Winchester load provided the highest velocity with an impressive 2,911 fps. They need to offer it in a 6.5 Creedmoor. That's precisely why it isn't swapped out yet. ["ID"]=> This allows you to tailor the rifle to certain loads, or to turn the gas pressure down for use with a sound suppressor. patriot ordnance factory (pof) rogue. Realistically you'll have about a 300 difference between the two after you put a better trigger in the sig. The rifles 416R stainless-steel barrel is threaded 5/8x24 TPI and capped with POFs five-prong Micro B muzzle brake. ["comment_count"]=> ["filter"]=> I will say the quality throughout is readily apparent. I have been buying more factory loaded 7.62NATO with its price converging with m193. Should be able to try it this week. Its numerous innovations and well-executed. string(0) "" ["post_content_filtered"]=> ["post_parent"]=> While this expedient does limit the rifles versatility a bit, it should really only be a major consideration for frequent users of a suppressor. In addition Blacks Hills Ammunition also launched a 6mm ARC round and a 6.5 PRC. This is a solid option for most shooters. string(0) "" I snagged the rogue because I think it fits a good niche role. ["post_date_gmt"]=> One new winner* is announced every week! ["comment_count"]=> string(7) "firearm" string(7) "firearm" ["ping_status"]=> After finishing up at the bench I loaded up some 25- and 20-round Magpul magazines and ran some drills at 25, 50, 75 and 100 yards. string(19) "2022-07-27 07:47:10" Not gonna knock how beautiful your rifle looks, because it looks flawless. I frequently shoot a 4lb 12oz Kimber Adirondack in 308 and its a pussycat with a brake or suppressor. I love seeing the platforms continue to evolve. ["post_content_filtered"]=> What kind of accuracy did you get out of yours? Swapping to a heavier MGI buffer solved the issue. It's s just the stock POF rogue hand guard. Three quick hits and I switched to the LaRue at 500 yards. It would make a great woods gun. ["ID"]=> The company may see its feathery weight as a particular advantage to hunters, but we think it makes the platform all the more formidable as a defensive arm as well. ["comment_status"]=> string(6) "closed" Having built/upgraded 10 AR systems Ive learned the hard way. The ADM UIC-10A chambered in .308 Winchester provides a compact platform for long range precision shooting. ["post_title"]=> Like the Revolution models before it, the Rogue also utilizes the companys E2 dual-extraction system, whereby four shallow grooves cut into the neck of the chamber vent ignition gases rearward to push against the cases shoulder, helping to break the seal and facilitating reliable extraction. Our barrel nuts 3 length also gives the operating rod substantial guiding surface assuring constant positive contact with the bolt carrier. ["post_status"]=> ["post_mime_type"]=> ["post_modified"]=> int(0) ["post_parent"]=> ["to_ping"]=> string(0) "" ["post_content"]=> Give them a penny, and the guys here will spend your last dollar. Riding inside is a POF-USA Key-Lock AR-15 bolt carrier. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. int(0) string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=128148" ["post_modified_gmt"]=> That weight number is awesome. string(19) "2022-12-28 14:24:32" One of my son's friends has one. string(4) "3120" Here it is below my 16" 6.5 Grendel for scale, plenty of neg reviews on the rogue so buyer beware. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. ["post_date_gmt"]=> Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. The barrel is a very light profile so the balance isn't the best but it's very easy to carry around. As a .308 Win.-chambered carbine built on an AR-15-length receiver set, providing users with all the handiness of an AR-15 while boasting the far greater firepower of an AR-10, Patriot Ordnance Factorys Revolution broke new ground upon its 2017 introductionenough so that we felt confident in awarding it the 2018 Golden Bullseye for Rifle Of The Year. I'm now suppressed and the way to go with any AR is a flow-through design. string(7) "publish" string(6) "closed" string(0) "" The Rogue comes either as a full size carbine utilizing a 16.5" barrel, or in pistol form with a 12.5" barrel. Take-up and overtravel were both nil, and the break was about as crisp as we could ask for. ["guid"]=> I will be using a surpressor on it, and I was thinking a primary arms glx acss raptor for the optic. Oldest M2 Browning .50-Caliber MG Still in Service? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26706/rogue-2379521.jpg, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133585/20220525_1446378_jpg-2398131.JPG, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133585/20220525_152209_jpg-2398133.JPG. string(0) "" string(6) "closed" Years in Business: 21. One distinctive feature is the stainless steel gas carrier key is dovetailed into the carrier for added strength. This unit feels good in the hand while reducing weight off the front of the rifle. renegade-plus-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7947 (24) { string(7) "publish" . ["post_modified_gmt"]=> It also features four M-Lok-compatible slots at the 3-, 6- and 9-oclock surfaces and a pair of push-button sling mounts on each side. Our enhanced backbone receiver also move the uppers natural stress point forward. int(0) string(0) "" Barrel: 16 inches Overall Length: 37 inches Overall Weight: 6.5 pounds (empty) Stocks: BCM Sights: None Action: Direct Impingement Finish: Hard anodized Capacity: 20+1 MSRP: $1,429 Not sure how it will feel to shoot at less than 6 lbs. Even so, I was impressed by just how light and handy the Rogue is straight out of the box. I was trying to stay around $2500 for rifles and optic, but if its really worth it to spend more on the rifle I could probably swing a little more cash towards it . So if there's no Dictator gas block, what I imagine happened was: POF's gen 4 ambi bolt release and bolt hold open are what made me want a revolution. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=128147" JavaScript is disabled. } string(7) "publish" string(7) "firearm" ["post_status"]=> I've run around 500 rds. Next, I aimed in at my 11x20 inch LaRue at 450 yards. Wrong! He is a recipient of the Carl Zeiss Outdoor Writer of the Year award and his writing has been recognized by the Civil Rights organization JPFO. Such a combination would make for a light and handy, yet hard-hitting hunting or tactical rifle. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. This features good-looking relief cuts and deletes the forward assist to reduce weight. I have the 16 version. I don't know of any production rifles in 308 Winchester with a 1-8" twist. (collapsed), 38 in.
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